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• laura // Dec 23, 2006 at 10:56 pm

  i tried to find the feeds to this question above about probiotics and antibiotic use but did not find any comments left by others…how do i find the responses to this post above? thanks

• Christina // Dec 23, 2006 at 11:28 pm

  Yours is the first response, Laura. Anything in particular you are looking for, maybe I can help?

• laura // Dec 26, 2006 at 10:59 am

  hi christina, thanks…i am interested in the responses this generates and in particular
  what is the dosage and timing to take antibiotics and probiotics propholactically to stop the antibiotic damage (tooth infection, unable to stick to a detox so need antibiotics to take care of the infection hopefully, but want to use probiotics to curb te damage from the antibiotics)
  thanks alot
  laura b

• Christina // Dec 26, 2006 at 11:21 am

  Laura- are you seeing a doctor? A tooth infection is potentially very dangerous and is definitely a case where you need antibiotics. You can talk to your doctor about probiotic usage as well.

• docwrite // Feb 11, 2007 at 9:46 pm

  Numerous studies have shown the benefit of probiotics in preveting and treating illnesses like diarrhea and infections. However, the effects of probiotics are unlikely to be permanent but more likely to end just a few days after stopping the probiotics.

• Christina // Feb 12, 2007 at 12:49 am

  Hi docwrite – that’s why I take them on a regular basis – and I do think they have been beneficial – at least I know they aren’t hurting anything!

• Shishot // Sep 19, 2007 at 10:46 am

  Did you find out a more clear cut answer to your question? Aside from the anti-diarrhoea benefit of probiotics during antibiotics, is it better to take or not take probiotics while taking antibiotics (i.e. from the perspective of getting rid of the infection that necessitated taking antibiotics)? I currently have a sinus infection and two ENT doctors have said that it would be good to take probiotics (specifically I asked about drinking kefir). However, they didn’t have a reason as to why it would not inhibit the antibiotics efficacy in eliminating the infection (logically, and maybe naively, it would seem probiotics would counter the antibiotics efficacy). And I’ve had the same sinus infection for 5 weeks. The first course of antibiotics started 5 weeks ago didn’t get rid of it, and I finished the 2nd course (14 days instead of the normal 10, and at the highest strength) yesterday but still have the sinus infection. And I have been drinking 8oz of kefir twice a day (morning and night). I was skeptical of taking probiotics during antibiotic treatment 5 weeks ago, but am even more skeptical now. Any help would be appreciated.

• Dezi'smom // Oct 5, 2007 at 12:59 pm

  My one year old has been battling multiple ear infections. The pediatrician told us that he would prescribe a super antibiotic to really get at the infection this time. I have been giving my son probiotics for a while now and have continued to do so during this most recent medication regime. He had chronic diahrrea from previous treatments, and the probiotics were the only thing that helped. I have been worried though that I am may be decreasing the efficacy of this most recent antibiotic. If this one fails, then he will need surgery to get tubes in his ears. I am inclined to stop all probiotics and just resume the regime once the antibiotics are done, but he has been sick for so long, and I hate to see him go through more diahrrea! Help! Any advice? (Basically, I have the same question as “Shishot.”)
  Thank you

• Barry // Oct 10, 2007 at 4:37 pm

  I am so sorry to hear about your son, Dezi’smom. My kids had a number of ear infections and we began talking about tubes, but then, as I remember (it has been about 8 years), we found a chiropractor who helped and the kids did not have to take anymore antibiotics. Perhaps, they grew out of it, but I don’t think that was all. Have you considered food allergies, such as wheat and milk? Perhaps Kefer would be a good alternative to milk and it is full of probiotics, better than yogurt I am told. I drink it and do much better with it than with yogurt – and regular milk kills me. Another idea would be to see if D’Adamo’s eat right for your type books offer a direction you could go. I find that I gravitated to the diet that he recommends for my blood type before I ever picked up the book. If your son is AB blood type, I would suggest using olive leaf extract – it is wonderful for my kids and I. Another opportunity is to find a doctor who treats disbiosis – poor gut flora – I think this is the doctor (such as a licensed chiropractor or naturopath) who helped the kids and I so much. He tested us using an advanced kinesiology testing scheme and gave us herbs and supplements that killed the “bad” bacteria and allowed the good to flourish. He said that without the herbs, the probiotics would never flourish. This helped a great deal – herbs such as coptis chinensis, isatis, supplements such as Thorne’s 9-undecanoic acid, similar to capryolic acid. Does your doctor, MD, suggest/prescribe guaifenisen (plain Robitussin/tussin) for congestion? This helps me a lot on the few occasions that I am congested and it has little to no side effects. Whereas sudafed actually gave me and the kids/led to ear infections. Finally, if you live near Seattle, I can suggest a 6th generation Chinese physician who makes a difference (I live in St. Louis, but my ex-wife was helped tremendously by this physician). Another opportunity would be to find a true homeopathic physician – you can find those who are members of national/international organization as opposed to just some guys with 100 hours of training – same with those people with 100 or 200 hours of accupuncture training who claim to do accupuncture.

  Good luck.

• Cris // Oct 24, 2007 at 2:00 pm

  I have just started taking antibiotics for a sinus infection, and my doctor said that probiotics are good to help me with stomach discomfort and diarrhea from the antibiotics. I had worried about mucus with dairy products and he told me not to worry about that. In the past, I used to just wait until the antibiotic was finished, and then go for a heavy intake or probiotics to replenish lost flora immediately after the antibiotic is finished.

  It seems sensible to me that maybe because the anitbiotic might just kill off any probiotic you injest and therefore possibly detract from its attack on the infection, that maybe a good course of action is to only take the probiotic if you are having bad stomach problems to alleviate that, but otherwise if its just a few cramps here and there, just wait until your done and then make sure you ramp up probiotic intake to make up for what you lost. I hate taking antibiotics, but I guess I might as well let them do their work, let go of my intestinal flora for a week, and then replenish them when the infection is gone.

• Barry // Oct 24, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  I did some lit research using peer reviewed journals. In this case, the subject was C. diff infection/overgrowth treated with oral vancomycin. Very often, C. diff overgrowth is due to a compromised immune system (i.e. antibiotics plus chemotherapy/radiation/cancer). We all have C. diff, but it is kept in check by our flora and immune system. A meta-analysis of treatments for C. diff and a paper from the U. of Washington medschool showed a treatment using a specific probiotic, Saccharomyces boulardii, reduces recurrence of the infection/overgrowth. The point of this long message is: the protocol calls for beginning the probiotic on day 7 of a 10 day oral vanc protocol. And continuing for 30 days. They don’t say to start the probiotic on day 1 and they don’t say to start on day 11 or 10. I don’t know why they picked day 7; I did not read the paper in great detail (only to know the probiotic and the day 7 thing). Maybe, people should begin probiotics at the end of a round of antibiotics, not at the beginning and not after completion. Maybe. The paper also went on to say that for general antibiotic caused diahrrea, not C. diff caused, that a particular strain of Lactobacillus was helpful and that mixed probiotics were helpful.

• Cris // Oct 24, 2007 at 5:34 pm

  that sounds sensible, sounds like it is ideal to begin taking the probiotic as you are toward the end of your antibiotic round to ease back into a normal state of affairs! I’m going to try that this week! of course, i already took some probiotics on the first day of my antibiotic treatment, i’ll hold off though until i get toward the end and see what happens.

• Lynn // Oct 26, 2007 at 7:52 am

  For many of you with chronic ear infections or sinus infections, please look at casein (milk-protein) allergies and gluten (grain)allergies. We are nine months gluten and casein free now. My son had lost hearing in one ear due to congestion and chronic infections. Five pediatricians, an otologist and an allergist never resolved it. This change in diet cleared the ear infection, his chronic diarrhea, my mother’s chronic sinus infections. I was also able to take my other son off of allergy shots and steroids (for three years) for allergies and allergy induced asthma, simply by taking all wheat and dairy out of our diets. It is hard to at first, but so worth it. There is tons of information and help on the net. By the way, the allergist tested both boys and said they had no food allergies.

• Gerrad // Oct 26, 2007 at 9:18 pm

  I also have wondered about using probiotic during antibiotic treatment…. It doesn’t seem like it would be wise unless diarrhea and other stomach problems are severe…. I have also theorized that using probiotics during anti-biotic treatment would reduce the efficacy of the antibiotics…. This is just my personal logic and I haven’t found any specific studies backing it up, but I will personally try to refrain from using Kefir and other probiotic, just until the end or near the end of antibiotic treatment…

• Cris // Oct 27, 2007 at 2:16 am

  So I’m now four days into my 7-day antibiotic treatment. I have been trying to avoid probiotics, but the stomach pains were driving me crazy, so I have had a few of those little probiotic drinks, but have tried to only do that at least a couple of hours after and before I take my antibiotic so that the probiotic and antibiotic are not in my stomach at the same time. The probiotic seems to bring some relief that then goes away each time I take the antibiotic again (three times a day). It’s really hard for me to tell if its reducing the efficacy, but the antibiotic seems to be working and my sinus infection is slowly getting better, but I’m trying to function like normal through this and all this is making me quite tired!

• Gerrad // Oct 27, 2007 at 9:01 am

  Chris: If your stomach is really bad I would try and drink some Kefir in between doses of antibiotics or just call your doctor and ask him if you could try another antibiotic…. Everyone is different and some antibiotics that may not cause problems for many; may in fact cause you problems and likewise there is most likely some antibiotic that won’t cause too much GI disturbances for you…. I’ve been on three different antibiotics since my surgery in August and whenever I have bad tummy trouble, cramping, pain, diarhhea, or even just indigestion, I’ll drink 8oz. of Kefir and that usually calms it down to the point that I can continue my stupid antibiotic therapy….

• Cris // Oct 28, 2007 at 4:17 pm

  Thanks Gerrad, I’m taking Augmentin 3x day for seven days and I guess its not so bad that I would switch, but bad nonetheless. I’ve come up with a little game plan to get through the last few days. I try to wake up a little early in the morning and drink a bunch of kefir or other probiotic drinks. I take my daily vitamins, C and a multi, at the same time I drink the probiotics because I understand that the lack of good intestinal flora hinders the absorbtion of vitamins and minerals. Then I eat breakfast and wait until after I am comfortable that my food and vitamins have been digested before I take the first antibiotic of the day. I did this today and it seemed to help, and I also had more energy. I agree, antibiotics drive me crazy! Stupid sinus infections…

• KissyFace // Nov 2, 2007 at 10:34 am

  I had a very bad tooth infection that needed an emergency root canal and a prescription of some serious, heavy duty antibiotics. My dentist told me to get some probiotics because this prescription was going to reek havoc on my body.
  I am now going through my second infection and have decided to take the probiotic after my prescription is finished.
  I’m not sure if it’s related or if I’m just prone to infection, but that is my plan of attack this go round.
  I think a lot of it has to do with your body and the type on antibiotic you receive. Its all a matter of choice. There are going to be studies that back up both sides because there are too many variables, its about learning how your body reacts to certain treatments.

• kim // Nov 4, 2007 at 10:37 am

  ‘scuze me, folks, but how does the probiotic hinder the effectiveness of the antibiotic if the probiotic is a different bacteria (“good”) and the antibiotic kills everything anyways? i recently had surgery and an infection to boot. i was on flagyl for the infection, had surgery, finished the flagyl, and kept the keflex “in case”. the entire time i’d been taking probiotics, religiously, and even BEFORE all this for some time due to IBS symtoms mostly exhibiting as diarrhea (chronic). i had no idea the probiotics could “hinder” and thought it would just ride along side and be the “GOOD” whilst the antibiotics killed the “BAD”. however, when i finished all the antibiotic (flagyl) i seemed to possibly have developed an infection and have started the keflex originally prescribed for post surgery. i’m so confused but happy to find this discussion – perhaps ya’all can enlighten me. if i was already diarrhea problematic would it be wise to stop probiotics??? how do the probiotics kill the effectiveness of the antiobiotic??? thanks.
  have a great day!

• Becky // Nov 16, 2007 at 11:32 am

  Note: I’m not an expert by any stretch just an educated layperson but this is my opinion.

  It depends what you mean by hinder. In any single course of antibiotics it’s more that the antibiotics kill off the probiotic as soon as you take them than the other way round. After all an antibiotic kills off any bacteria in your system that isn’t resistant to it.

  I can see that they might be concerned with it increasing the chances of resistance developing at a later date but some got bacteria survive most antibiotic ourses due to natural mutation so that’s pretty much moot.

• Randy // Dec 10, 2007 at 8:31 am

  Dr. S.K. Dash Ph.D. who has decades of research in the area of pro-biotics says to take your pro-biotics between the times you take your anti-biotics. He is a leader in his field and has written books on this subject. His website is http://www.usalabs.com.

• Cris // Dec 10, 2007 at 9:03 am

  I think Dr. Dash is right. If I take antibiotics again, I will do that. My last antibiotic treatment was followed by yeast related mouth infection and I got sick again pretty quickly. I took the probiotics after the antibiotic dosage, but not a lot and only for a few days.

  Based on my experience, I would recommend being more rigorous about taking them during and after the antibiotics. Also consider cutting out sugars and wheat products for a week or so to make sure that any intestinal yeasts don’t have anything to feed off of. After years of antibiotic therapy and the most recent one that may have created other problems for me, I am doing one of those anti-candida diets with lots of probiotics for a few weeks to be super safe and hopefully strengthen my immune system. Not sure of the science behind it, but it is making a big difference in the way I feel and seems to be helping with my sinus issues as well.

  It seems when the antibiotics kill off all the probiotics and we don’t replenish them properly, that creates a sort of vicious circle that weakens your immune system and makes it more likely you will have to take antibiotics again.

• Randy // Dec 10, 2007 at 10:46 am

  Chris you might want to take a look at Dr. Dash’s book “The Consumer’s Guide to Probiotics.” I know they sell it on his site but you might be able to get it for a couple of bucks at http://www.abebooks.com. God bless you and hope you will enjoy great health over the holidays.

• Pauline // Dec 12, 2007 at 2:57 am

  Olive leaf is the best thing I have used for candida. I have had allergies all my life and just lately a sinus problem that just kept recuring and nothing would help;olive leaf fixed it and it has not returned and my milk allergy while still there is greatly improved. Olive leaf kills all the viruses,bacteria and fungi it has been tested on. I think that if you have allergy problems then you probably have an overgrowth of candida and the olive leaf gets rid of it. It doesn’t destroy ‘good’ bacteria either.

• Barry // Dec 12, 2007 at 11:18 am

  With all the talk of antibiotic treatments and reinfections, even with probiotic treatment, it could be that there is an overgrowth and imbalance of intestinal flora that needs to be rebalanced and probiotics alone may not do it. The Olive Leaf extract suggestion would help and there are other supplements and herbs that rebalance and/or kill problem flora: Thorne makes a product called SF722 (if I remember correctly) – this is 10-undecenoic acid or something similar to a long chain fatty acid that kills certain offending organisms. Coptis chinensis – I took it as a tincture. And there are others, some of which are made by Thorne Research. I get this information from treatments that I received from a competent chiropractor who had take advanced applied kinesiology classes and specialized in gut health. It is really helpful to find someone trained and competent, even if they are not perfect though understand their scope of practice. If you have to experiment on your own with herbs, start with low doses to and gradually build up. And start with one at a time so that you can recognize your responses to these new introductions into your system. Plus, you don’t want a nasty detox reaction, even if it is transitory. I once was given a tea tree “pill” and thought I was losing my mind for a few hours because I am very sensitive to tea tree oil, not to mention that it should only be given orally with care – that was a mistake by a practitioner that I don’t want to repeat. Good luck everybody.

• Cris // Dec 13, 2007 at 3:34 am

  One question I still don’t think we’ve answered, I’ll put it in terms of a hypothetical:

  If I am taking antibiotics, and in between doses I take strong doses (kefir, acidophilus, whatever) of probiotics, will that reduce the efficacy of the antibiotic?

  anyone have, or maybe you have seen, a definitive answer to that question?

• carlie // Dec 22, 2007 at 9:26 am

  I have a really bad UTI.Have been taking antibiotics and probiotics.Is this why I’m still in pain?

• Terri // Dec 22, 2007 at 10:10 am

  I have a bad sinus infection. I started Anti-biotics 5 days ago and I am only getting worse. I will try probiotics and sinus rinse to help. I won’t take them together though…

• Cris // Dec 23, 2007 at 12:03 am

  My sinus infection is back, and its worse than before, now I am taking a strong dose of 4000 mgs of Augmentin per day. The sinus rinses have stopped working too. The probiotic in between seems to help, but I am having massive sugar cravings.

  Does anyone know if there are certain foods to avoid or a special antibiotic support diet to help the probiotics and antibiotics do their job?

• Randy // Dec 23, 2007 at 7:07 am

  Chris stop eating any white and anything with a parent (poultry, fish, beef, pigs….animals) No sugar, white flour, white rice, white bread etc. No can goods. Eat fruit, vegetables, grains. At least two quarts of good water a day. Get your protein from soy, beans, nuts etc. Take a good multivitamin. No dairy, a good probiotic daily. Plenty of citrus fruit, oranges, grapefruit, lemon, lime. You should start seeing a marked improvement in a week.

• LORI // Jan 9, 2008 at 2:04 pm

  Has anyone thought about using colloidal silver? I was told that would help with fungal infections which if a sinus infection is not clearing up, it may be caused by fungus and not bactieria. I was told to use it in a sinus rinse.

• Cris // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:15 am

  I have just finished a 20-day treatment of Augmentin for sinus infection, the probiotics in between doses helped me get through it without too much stomach illness, now I am doing heavy probiotic intact with olive leaf extract and lots of vitamins to try to reset my system. Scary enough, I am still congested, my doctor says the infection should be gone, I just need to let the sinuses calm down.

  The only thing I am doing now is a light spray of colloidal silver, no heavy sniffing it up, to try to calm the sinuses. I’ll let you know if it works.

• Jim Locke // Mar 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm

  Would like to see answered on when to use Probiotics along with antibiotics.

• MommaP // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:55 am

  Here is my question. Previously on an antibiotic, I got a yeast infection, apparently in women this happens a lot. I am worried about getting another yeast infection. Will probiotics help? I currently have a sinus infection, bronchitis and ear infection. Quite frankly the yeast infection was worse. Either way, I will not sleep due to the pain or from not being able to breathe. Previous comments were about intestinal upset. Any suggestions.

• Jim Locke // Mar 21, 2008 at 1:14 pm

  MommaP: check out this link:

  http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Candida-Yeast-Guidebook-Revised/dp/0761527400

  I found during a google for gittleman and candida.
  Ann Louise Gittleman knows the yeast/Candida issue very well, and has praised this book.

  Another book to consider:
  http://www.amazon.com/Chronic-Candidiasis-Vitamins-Minerals-Exercise/dp/076150821X/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t

  I have one of Michael Murray’s books, and it’s very good.

  I can say without question eliminating or greatly reducing dairy would at least reduce the sinus/ear issues, and Candida thrives on refined sugars (maybe natural sugars also).

  I had a cold that seemed to leave a bunch of congestion (including my right ear) a year or more ago. Got into a raw milk and cheese kick (as raw milk is healthier than the type you buy in stores. It doesn’t solve the milk/mucus problem, though. My congestion for worse, and then I got an antibiotic for the ear infection and basically eliminated dairy (milk and cheese), and am doing great now!

  If you decide to visit a holistic practitioner (Homeopathic, N.D, herbalist, etc), keep in mind when your body cleans out the the toxins, there can be symptoms from the cleansing (but they are normally milder than when you “catch” the illness in the first place).

  If you’re curious, do a google for Hering’s law of cure at some point.
  You could likely use a good cleansing. If you want product recommendations, feel free to email me as I have some.

• Matthew // Mar 22, 2008 at 2:01 pm

  I was just diagnosed with empetigo and started an antibiotic regimen. Almost instantly my acid reflux was through the roof. I started taking probiotics and the empatigo which was looking better got worse. This is day 4 and I’m going to try to stop the probiotics till the antibiotics have gone their course. I’m going to try prilosec for the acid reflux, and get some throat coat tea, it has slippery elm. It seems to me that probiotics definitely interfere with the effectiveness of antibiotics. Best not to mix the two.

• M Do // Apr 3, 2008 at 5:46 pm

  Correct me if I am wrong but I thought ANTIbiotics killed both good and bad bacteria and that PRObiotics replaces the good bacteria. I may have to take some ANTIbiotics starting next week because of a possible ulcer and I am currently taking PRObiotics. I have no idea what I should do after reading so many different ideas.

• Jim Locke // Apr 3, 2008 at 6:10 pm

  M Do:

  You’re correct.
  My personal research has led me to believe that if using Antibiotics, using Probiotics in-between the doses of antibiotics daily is generally best.
  I site mentioned here earlier led me to some comments from a Dr. who research this a great deal apparently.

  I asked a homeophatic Nurse practitioner is she felt there was a problem if Probiotics were used at the same time as antibiotics, and she said no firmly.

  I did not specifically mention I had “popped” them literally at the same time.

  You are likely to find multiple opinions on this. For what it’s worth, my N.P. (the nurse I mentioned) said it was fine to use them at the same time.

  I also feel using antibiotics for a couple weeks -without- repopulating the gut with any flora significantly lowers the immunity temporarily.

  One reason I asked the N.P. this question was because I had a sore throat come back.
  I got another Strep test done. Negative. So she gave me a homeopathic medication. turned out it seems I needed a different one, since this different ones worked.
  Found this out on my own as I’m pretty knowledgeable on homeopathy for not being a Doctor.

  My point is: it appears the antibiotic worked just fine, even with use of probiotics in the same handful.

• teresa // Apr 21, 2008 at 1:21 pm

  For over a year I have had a lesion on my scalp that is infected and fills up quickly after being drained. A dermatologist recently prescribe the anitbiotic, minocycline, for three months at 100 mg. to take twice a day. I have also been taking proxene, a probiotic, for the past month or so. It dawned on me that they may be cancelling out the affect of each other. Plus, I have been experiencing severe headaches lately. I went to this site to learn the feasibility of taking probiotics and antibiotics at the same time. I have yet to find the answer. I am as confused as I was before. Several comments were to take probiotics between antibiotic doses, this is what I will try in hopes of alleviating my headaches. If anyone has an definitive information regarding the subject, please post it. Thanks for listening to me whine.

  terriperry

• Jim Locke // Apr 21, 2008 at 3:02 pm

  teresa:

  Are you eating unprocessed foods most of the time and drinking enough water? (around half your body weight measured in pounds, in ounces – i.e. if you are 150 lbs, youd drink about 75 ounces daily).
  If you are, your body may simply be getting rid of junk.

  When using a probiotic after being sick, the body rebalances. In doing this, it can push junk out of the body, including through the skin.

  Of course, don’t take this as formal advice, but it’s possible.

  Have you looked for a chiropractor who knows Kinesiology, or an herbalist?

  Just thoughts, again.

  I have had good luck applying a high-quality Lavender oil around the body and head if I have a headache.
  The Lavender is a great balancing herb that helps the body adapt to things.
  I have had great luck with Young Living’s Lavender oil. The aroma is stronger and richer than Aura Cacia’s and similar to Simpler’s (two brands).

• PJ // May 7, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  I am now on my 3rd round of antibiotics for a sinus infection. My cough was so horrible my doc did a CT of the sinus region and an x-ray of chest. He finally saw my sinus infection in there, he had been saying was cleared up. NOPE!

  So now I am on an additional 21 days of Levaquin. I started with a z pak and moved on to 10 days of levaquin and am still on it.

  I feel somewhat better but still have this horrible cough. A holistic med friend said take probiotics & not to wait. The girl in Whole Foods said not to take them together as the antibiotic will kill the probiotics. She suggested several hours after the antibiotic dose…
  I think the rule of thumb is this: The antibiotic can interfere with the probiotic good effects and the probiotics will be wasted.

  I don’t think the probiotic could make an antibiotic not work, not the strong antibiotics yall are talking about.
  It would be a very weak antibiotic to be adversely affected by a probiotic. Just my opinion.

  I have decided to take some proB each day because I have been on the antibiotics for so long now (several months) and I am concerned with yeast and candida, thrush, etc.

• Kimberly // May 21, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  According to this article its okay:

  http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijnw/vol2n1/probiotics.xml

• sw // May 27, 2008 at 7:57 am

  Repeated ear infections are almost always a milk allergy. Goats milk and products doesn’t seem to have to same problems. Milk allergy also contributes to ADD/ADHD.
  Repeated sinus infections are almost always a wheat allergy.
  There is milk (casein) and wheat (gluten) in almost everything manufactured. Removing these offenders from your diet and taking an antifungal like oil of oregano or grapefruit seed extract until you feel better should stop the reacurrences.
  Research Celiac and CF/GF free for tons of success stories, ideas and recipes

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• Jessica // Jun 23, 2008 at 11:55 pm

  THANK YOU for all your comments. I was just diagnosed with C-Diff and though there’s some conflicting info., you have given me some great tools to work with, and a wealth of information!

• EL // Jul 13, 2008 at 9:55 am

  There must be a doctor in there somewhere what with all the antibiotic prescriptions I’ve been reading about. Has anyone asked their personal physician about probiotics and their interactions with antibiotics?

• Andrea // Jul 21, 2008 at 8:26 pm

  I have to weigh in here:

  I think probiotics are ESSENTIAL if you are taking an antibiotic for more than a week or so.

  I’ve been taking doxycycline for a month and a half for Lyme disease, and taking a probiotic has really helped to keep me feeling alright. When I’ve run out and stopped taking it, I’ve felt really depressed (depression being a side effect of taking antibiotics, perhaps through a gut bacteria mechanism).

  It seems to me that probiotics can be effective even when you’re taking an antibiotic, because the antibiotic doesn’t kill everything. The balance of the bacteria that ARE there matters.

• Cherri // Jul 21, 2008 at 9:03 pm

  My 16 yr old son has been on Cloxacilan for 15 days for an infection and has started another 15 days because the infection still hasn’t cleared.
  He injured his leg and the sore got so infected that the Dr. had to drain 3 (10cc) of ? out of his infection on his leg.
  But, my question is probiotics, I am thinking he should be taking these?… and especially now that he is going to be on his 2nd run of these heavy duty antibiotics.. or should I just wait til he’s done… Any comments would be appreciated.. Thank you.

• Andrea // Jul 21, 2008 at 9:50 pm

  Go ahead and take probiotics while you’re on antibiotics!

  They help!

  Probiotics apparently reduce the incidence of antibiotic-associated diarrhea, so they do something, they’re not all getting killed by the antibiotic.

  http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/324/7350/1361

• sw // Jul 21, 2008 at 9:53 pm

  I would suggest pro-biotics taken between (two hours after) the anti-biotics.
  Has the doctor suggested anything topically like oil of oregano or tea tree oil?
  I would look into oil of oregano and use your best judgement. I’ve never had to use it externally but I swear by what it does internally. As a matter of fact, it would be a good idea for him to take that until he’s better too. It’s amazing stuff. I’m never without it anymore. If you can find Joy of The Mountain brand it’s very good.

• ginger perry // Aug 12, 2008 at 7:27 pm

  This continues to be very confusing. I just
  had cellulitis in my toe … Was given I.V. antibiotics and was told i should/could take probiotics — and lots of them — 2 hours after my dose of antibiotics. When you say … BETWEEN.. i am not sure if you mean what i just said or, say,
  a week of anitibiotics … and then the probiotics the next week. What do you mean by BETWEEN? I am convinced that what I am doing is correct … anyone? But thank you for whatever feedback.. ..Healing with an infected toe

• sw // Aug 12, 2008 at 7:36 pm

  You generally take antibiotics three times a day or every four hours approximately. Take the probiotics between the doses. I would also recommend taking them for a few weeks after you’re finished the antibiotics as well to re-establish your healthy flora really well.

• Jennifer // Aug 17, 2008 at 9:18 pm

  Below is a link to a good source that says probiotics should be taken during and after a course of antibiotics, and as sw said, increasing somewhat directly after the course to replenish beneficial flora.

  I’m hoping to avoid a yeast infection while taking augmentin for a stupid cat bite (my cat is stupid, as well as the bite he gave me). I hope the probiotics will prevent the often unfortunate side affect of antibiotics.

  (copy & paste the entire link)
  http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijnw/vol2n1/probiotics.xml

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• Beth // Oct 2, 2008 at 6:00 pm

  The word probiotic does not mean that an antibiotic’s efficacy in fighting infection is lessoned. Labeling these beneficial bacteria probiotics( as opposed to antibiotics )seems to have caused some confusion. Probiotics simply counter an antibiotic’s side effect of destroying the beneficial bacteria(along with the bad). Probiotics replace the good bacteria being destroyed; they do not inhibit the antibiotics ability to fight infection. They should always be taken before and after antibiotic useage and most people should take them regularly and up the dose when on antibiotics. Taking them between antibiotic dosages is best – try for at least 2 hours after the dose(more if able).Unfortunaltely many doctors(perhaps most) are still ignorant of the importance of this and seem to feel threatened if you bring up something the do not have knowledge of. Still, more and more are becoming aware of the importance of using probiotics. I know personally of 3 doctors in my area who always advise taking them along with antibiotic therapy – hopefully there are more. Don’t listen to everything your doctor says. They have basically no training in nutritional therapy or any alternative medicine. Since medical school most of what they learn comes directly from pharmaceutical companies. Either through drug reps or by attending seminars, etc. sponsered by drug companies. You must be pro-active about your health and your medical treatment.

• SN // Nov 26, 2009 at 10:17 am

  Barry — I live in Seattle and am interested in finding the Chinese physician you referred to in your 10/10/07 post …”if you live near Seattle, I can suggest a 6th generation Chinese physician who makes a difference”—thank you!

• Cristian // Nov 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm

  I would recommend mild doses of probiotics during the antibiotic therapy and then heavy doses and a low-gluten, low-sugar diet after the antibiotics finish for about a month to rebuild your immunity.

  My story may be instructive: I had chronic sinus infections for several years, took heavy amounts of antibiotics on the advice from sinus specialists, and the problems just continued to get worse, with the antibiotics creating all kinds of side effects, particularly yeast related, and thus weakening my immune system and creating a vicious circle. This summer I got a severe stomach infection in China that put me in the hospital for 5 days and I lost thirty pounds and was on intravenous Leviquin. My immune system was weak after that for a couple of months and the sinus infections returned with a vengeance, but my doctors where I now live in the Netherlands said there was no chance they would give me antibiotics as my digestive system was so ravaged, so that I would have to tough it out on the sinus infections. To try to recover, I started on a diet to eat healthy and rebuild my digestive system and had some detox reactions for a period of time, but started to feel a hell of a lot better when I increased a dosage of high potency probiotic to five times the recommended dose. Since I was still feeling bad from the digestive problems, I asked my doctor if taking a heavy dose of probiotics could hurt me, and they said that it wouldn’t hurt me though it could make me feel a little sick as it might trigger the release of toxins. So I took like 6 of the high potency probiotic pills, was a little feverish in the night and felt better than I had felt in ages the next day. I kept up with the heavy probiotics, the sinus infection came back in waves over a two-month period, each time it was easier to fight, and now my sinuses have been clear for three months, which is the first time they have been clear that long in many years. there may be an effect from reducing sugars and eating less bread, pasta, etc. as well (I don’t have a strict diet, but just started using more natural grains and avoiding gluten heavy meals). Anyway, after a lifetime of antibiotic (ab)use, I am feeling that heavy use of probiotics may be rebuilding my immune system, honestly I am 37 years old and have never felt better! Of course, my experience is not statistically significant, but based on my experience I think that probiotics are a major antidote for people who have overused antibiotics. The real problem to my mind is to take some more time after you take antibiotics to restore your balance, and probiotics are a huge help for that.

• Trent Jackson // Nov 30, 2009 at 10:17 pm

  The problem with antibiotics is that they target both bad and GOOD bacteria. So it seems totally incoherent to take probiotics whilst taking antibiotics. You’re just making the work harder for the antibiotics.

• Trent Jackson // Nov 30, 2009 at 10:19 pm

  Probiotics after the course of antibiotics makes sense however though.

• Gayle // Dec 10, 2009 at 10:06 am

  I just finished reading all the comments and it is confusing! I am a long time user of probiotics and was just put on antibiotics for an infection. Since the benefits of probiotics has been so great for me I will not stop using them through the course of antibiotics, however I did not think to space out the dosage which I will begin immediately. That did make sense. I suffered with stomach issues far to long before finding the benefits of probiotics I couldnt imagine stopping them now!

• Trent Jackson // Dec 10, 2009 at 10:10 pm

  It is a controversial debate, and there is good argument for both sides. Apparently bad bacteria grows faster than good bacteria according to my GP. On the label of the inner health plus probiotic it states that they are usfule AFTER a course of antibiotics.

  Who knows what’s best, one doctors says this while the other says that!

• urs // Dec 12, 2009 at 6:33 am

  hi ,
  I dont know much about any of this stuff, although i have recurrent sinus infections allll the time. i have had 16 surgeries over the last 10 yrs for bowel obstructions/infections. i developed mrsa, and ever since have been severely ill (all stomach related, diarreah, naseau, pain, etc), including sinus inf after inf, it never ends, and i am constantly on 875 mg/125 of another antibiotic. all i know is, when i was in the hospital, on flagyl, and vancomycin, the Dr’s were giving me probiotics at the same time!, and when i went home, they told me to continue taking them. i was sick as a dog this week in particular, with diarreah, naseau, etc, it didnt dawn on me to take the good probiotics. I bought them, and the next morning i had absolutely no sign of ever being sick at all. in addition to taking the pro/bio, i am taking something called wellness formula i get in a health food store. as i said, i dont know much about any of this stuff, but the combination of the probiotics, the wellness formula, the diet, i do feel better. so i guess my point here is, while admitted in the hospital, i had the probiotics and the antibiotics given to me at the same time. in addition to oral antibiotics, i was on IV antibiotics too. Good luck to all. Stay healthy, and enjoy all the holidays.

• urs // Dec 12, 2009 at 6:35 am

  oh yeah, and thanks to all for the good reading.

• Trent Jackson // Dec 12, 2009 at 7:15 am

  Go easy on that Flagyl. A lot of people are scared about exchanging an infection for a brain tumor with that drug. It interferes with our DNA.

  Scientists gave lab rats 33 times the human dosage and they got heptic malignant lesions on the liver. But this is of course a lot for an animal which is about 0.5% of our weight, and give 33 times the human dosage! So with short term use the chance are possible but unlikely. But with long-term / high dosage use the chances are higher. Taken for a serious infection the benefits outweigh the risks.

  But hey, with or without it, no matter how healthy you are, we all stand a 1-in-4 chance of developing cancer at some stage of our life!

  Saeson’s greetings everyone!

• Maj // Dec 17, 2009 at 5:32 pm

  I have been to a GI specialist and started on a couple of antibiotics for H Pylori. This specialist has also recommended I double up on my probiotics during the 10 day period I’ll be on the antibiotics. She did not say to wait any period of time between the antibiotics and the probiotics but after reading the comments here, it certainly couldn’t hurt to space them out. Especially since this is my second go round with this treatment regimen.

• Jorge // Jan 1, 2010 at 9:06 pm

  Guys,
  Most Probiotics don’t implant the human gut . The reason because we should take them after an antibiotic course is to get their benefits until the indigenous flora recover. Prebiotics are also important because they feed the native strains which form our gut microbiota. Probiotics only offer temporary benefits. Taken prolonged antibiotic curses is a big risk, they cause perseverant damage to the friendly flora and intestinal candidiasis which is very hard to treat and cure.

• jdv // Jan 1, 2010 at 9:08 pm

  Guys,
  Most Probiotics don’t implant the human gut . The reason because we should take them after an antibiotic course is to get their benefits until the indigenous flora recover. Prebiotics are also important because they feed the native strains which form our gut microbiota. Probiotics only offer temporary benefits. Taken prolonged antibiotic curses is a big risk, they cause perseverant damage to the friendly flora and intestinal candidiasis which is very hard to treat and cure.

• Happygirl // Jan 9, 2010 at 5:54 pm

  I have had a sinus infection for years!!! Finally found out a tooth under my sinus was infected for 37 from a bad root canal. Had the tooth pulled. I have done much research and found that Saccharomyces boulardii, is the only probiotic that antibiotics will not kill. My mucosal immune system (gut & sinus & chest) is very low so I am taking probiotics and exercising to help build it back up. Still have infection, and nothing seems to clear it up. The antibiotics only seem to know it down. : (

• Happygirl // Jan 9, 2010 at 5:55 pm

  I have had a sinus infection for years!!! Finally found out a tooth under my sinus was infected for 37 from a bad root canal. Had the tooth pulled. I have done much research and found that Saccharomyces boulardii, is the only probiotic that antibiotics will not kill. My mucosal immune system (gut & sinus & chest) is very low so I am taking probiotics and exercising to help build it back up. Still have infection, and nothing seems to clear it up. The antibiotics only seem to knock it down. : (

• emetr4 // Jan 10, 2010 at 1:24 pm

  I liked the commend by JDV (Jorge) of Jan. 9, 2010, because after I treated my ulcer with antibiotics that caused severe constipation in me. I never had problem with it before antibiotics. I have been taking probiotics for a year now as they are the only thing that helps. It is like if I take them, I feel life inside of me and things are moving, and if I don’t take them for a week, everything dies again, and severe constipation comes back. My question is – how to replenish your intestinal flora? Is is even possible or I’ll have to take probiotics till the rest of my life? Why probiotics we take as a pill don’t survive long in your gut as before taking antibiotics, they survived there just fine? Thank you for your answers.

• JDV // Jan 10, 2010 at 7:43 pm

  The biggest offender after taking antibiotics is candida albicans. Candida overgrowth in the intestinal tract when benefical bacterias are killed by antibiotics. An intestinal candidiasis is a serious problem which need to be corrected as soon as possible. Candida cause many health problems and depress the immnue system. I encourage every body who has taken antibiotics read about candida in the web. There is not magic pill to cure candida, insted you need to follow a treatment with diet, antifungals and probiotics. Read as much as you can about candida and how it affect the general health. You gonna be surprised how you health problem could be strongly linked to it. Probiotics alone can not solve an intestinal candidiasis. This is my best advice for anybody who has taken antibiotics more than 1 o 2 times in a year.

• Legaia // Jan 13, 2010 at 10:09 am

  Dr. Weil, M.D., and a Harvard graduate at that, said it’s okay, so I would suppose that it’s pretty safe. Here’s a few places where he talks about the issue.

  http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA262128
  http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400246/the-point-of-probiotics.html
  http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART03052/Probiotics.html

• emetr4 // Jan 19, 2010 at 4:50 am

  Thanks, JDV, again. I checked the symptoms for candidiasis – I have none of them. I think I feel there is a different problem here. I am not sure, but I have 3 thoughts about why probiotics do not survive in my body longer than a week after I killed them all off with triple antibiotics therapy:
  (1) companies that make probiotics (like VSL#3, for example), make them weak/short-term, so that they don’t survive in your body for a long time. I actually read about VSL#3 that their probiotics will die out in 2 weeks after you stop taking them. I am not sure, but I believe I read it on their website. I am may be wrong about it, I am just guessing here. Companies make probiotics weak so that we would buy them again and again – profit for them.
  (2) our body made antibodies to good bacteria – can that be? It made antibodies to H. Pylori – may be it made them to all good bacteria, too, after killing it off with antibiotics?
  (3) May be there is some antibiotics left in blood, or somewhere else in my body that kills off good bacteria all the time after I took triple antibiotics?

• Cristian // Jan 19, 2010 at 7:40 am

  I can totally sympathize with emtr4, I have used antibiotics and now take probiotics regularly for the last year or so, feeling more stomach-ill when I stop them. I think it’s good to do heavy probiotics and try a gluten/sugar free diet for a few weeks to get rid of the bad bacteria that accumulated over the years after you finish your antibiotics.

  But having taken antibiotics for chronic sinus infections, I decided to stop using them. If these infections are resistant to antibiotics, why take them?

  I think probiotics are an important part of rebuilding the immune system and rebuilding the gut from years of abuse, but trying to fight some of this stuff without using the antibiotics has actually led to me having less sinus problems and (I believe) a stronger immune system. I’m looking forward to when I won’t need probiotic supplements anymore.

  But you should take high quality probiotics if you take them, it’s your digestive system, so I don’t think they stay in there long when ingested, but perhaps help to crowd out the bad bacteria to give the good ones a foothold when you take them?

• Trent Jackson // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:08 am

  No way.

  Scientists and people in medicine are not in it for the money. The well deserved money that they make is just the icing on the cake so to speak.

  Most people in medicine have a very high intellect, high IQ and a genuine passion to help others.

  There are much higher paying fields of opportunities out there in this world. With their intellect, they would all be sitting at home trading on the stock market if their primary motivation was for profit.

  So I therefore must argue that your claim about profit before health is CrAzY

• emetr4 // Jan 19, 2010 at 2:54 pm

  I honestly hope you are right, Trent, although I didn’t make any claims and stated I was just guessing – and stated it, actually THREE TIMES! However, I understand the way you feel – you don’t think the company would make short-lived probiotics on purpose, to put you on it and keep you on it, keep you buying from the company. I am just asking here – why don’t they make them long-lived, surviving in your body? Is it very hard to create? Thank you for answers from anybody who knows anything about this subject.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 19, 2010 at 9:50 pm

  It was only but some 50-years ago that many people died from the common cold.

  It will probably take scientists another 50 to well and truly figure things out.

  Add another 50 on to that, and people with advanced cancer will swallow something and wake up the next day and go jogging.

  We’re still in the dark ages, but we do have light bulbs.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 pm

  The world will be a wonderful place in another 200-years.

  # No crime (everyone will be closely monitored using technology)
  # People will only die from old age
  # Most people will have University degrees

• Trent Jackson // Jan 19, 2010 at 11:04 pm

  I also predict that the US will eventually step in and take over these poverty stricken countries where there is nothing but bloodshed and disaster.

  There may even be a world war III, and absolutely no one stands a chance against America and its allies.

  Forget about president of the United States for a moment and consider the prospects of “President of the world”

• JDV // Jan 20, 2010 at 12:07 am

  If you want to learn about probiotics, take a look to the candida forum in curezone. Right now there is a debate about gut flora with many interesting answer. The guys there know a lot about it. There is more than probiotics after antibiotic intake.
  Good Luck.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 1:28 am

  That’s exactly right — at the moment it is all debate.

  One doctor says this while the other says that.

  Science is still in infancy.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 1:30 am

  Heck, half of these drugs that doctors prescribe are nearing 30-years-old!

  Flagyl is one of them!

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 1:47 am

  Doctor’s thoughts before prescribing a drug:

  1. Does the benefit outweight the risk? (are we going to exchange an infection for a brain tumor)

  2. Better to leave well enough alone?

  At the end of the day, even the most healthiest person stands a 1-in-4 chance of getting cancer during some stage in their lives.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 2:29 am

  Oh and …

  3. Will this medication conflict with what you’re currently taking?

  You mix this with that, that with this and you end up with a cocktail which not even the smartest person in the world could tell you about what may or may not occur.

  Stroke?
  Heart attack?
  Lesions?
  Neurological disturbances?

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 2:34 am

  You see how precise science is?

  Sure we test drugs on lab rats, but we don’t test them combined with this, this, that.

  Dark ages. If you’re over 25, then bless every second that you’re alive.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 2:51 am

  Actually, depending on your life style (drink / smoke / take drugs) — I think we’ll change that to 35.

  It is highly unlikely for someone below this age to have a heart attack or a stroke.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 3:10 am

  Build a real big new jail out in the desert somewhere.

  Tobacco illegal.
  Alcohol illegal.

  Lifetime jail sentences for anyone breaking the law. Break the cycle.

• Trent Jackson // Jan 20, 2010 at 3:25 am

  But for some crimes, where the offender has been properly reformed 2 strikes and you’re out may seem appropriate.

  But as for the big 4, LIFE!

  1. Murder
  2. Rape
  3. Drug traffic
  4. Armed robbery

• emetr4 // Jan 20, 2010 at 11:43 am

  JDV, thank you: I’ll check the website you mentioned.

• VL // Jan 28, 2010 at 6:41 am

  I am glad to find this very long thread about probiotics and antibiotics. I am sleepless now (and have been so for a whole week!) from sinus problems, and am checking on the Internet for what else I can do to help. Probiotics is one of the very last things I haven’t tried yet, including all conventional, herbal, natural and Chinese remedies.

  I am surprised no one has mentioned about nausea as a side effect of antibiotics. I was prescribed a round of antibiotics for bronchitis/lung infection last year, and ever since then I had serious nausea for two whole months, even much worse than when I was pregnant. Gravol and prescription medications didn’t help at all, and neither did the 10 or so medical professionals that I seeked help from. The nausea really only stopped right after I started an aggressive regimen of customized Chinese herbal medication targeted for that. Imagine, after two months of severe nausea, it stopped, for good, within two days of the Chinese herbal medication.

  In addition, ever since the antibiotics, I have been suffering from chronic everything in the last few months — colds, blocked sinuses, heavy runny nose, heavy mucus, appetite loss — representing more than 20 days every single month. My body has never been remotely close to being in such bad state before this, ever.

  Now, after reading many of the above comments, the antibiotics killing the good flora makes sense, and at least it is definitely worth trying. I will get my kefir and whatever probiotic they pitch at me at the health food store right away tomorrow. Thanks all for sharing and reading!

• Cris // Jan 28, 2010 at 7:41 am

  At some point it may be important to break the antibiotic cycle. I was taking them off and on for years for sinus infections and kept getting sick. After a hardcore stomach infection in China last year, my doctor said no more antibiotics for the sinus infections as my stomach couldn’t handle it. Instead, I started on a probiotic program with very strong doses, like taking 5 high quality pills a day instead of one and a low wheat/low sugar diet. Oddly enough, with that and a lot of rest, my sinuses have been clear for six months! I also feel a lot better.

  I think I was caught in a vicious circle because of the antibiotics where the related intestinal problems were making me more prone to sinus infections, etc. I’m pretty sure probiotics help you to fight these things on your own, my experience shows they can work. Like emtre4 above, I am a little concerned that I have to take them all the time, but am already finding that I can get away with taking less of them after several months of taking a lot. Good luck!

• Cris // Jan 28, 2010 at 7:45 am

  PS – If you want to really give the probiotics a chance, make sure to get the highest quality ones, otherwise you might end up with something that has no effect.

• JDV // Jan 28, 2010 at 11:18 am

  Please Guys,
  Browse the web about candida. Candida is what cause repeted sinus infections and the vicious cycle. Do yourself a favor and research this topic. When you take antibiotics, candida overgrowth in the intestinal track and cause many problems. Candidiasis is a serious condition that need to be corrected as soon as possible. Your health is at risk. Probiotics alone can not cure candida. You need a diet, antifungals and probiotics. There are thousand of websites explaining this problem and how serious is it. I am absolutely sure this can be the best step to recover your health . Again, research about candidiasis, symptoms, risks, and how antibiotics are the biggest culprit. Do it and you never are going to forget this advice.

• seashell // Feb 4, 2010 at 6:51 pm

  please please please don’t put tubes in your child’s ears. He may be lactose intolerant, he may be gluten intolerant, grain sensitive. In the middle east, and tribal cultures, urine is put into the ear, and clears up infections. I realize this sounds very gross or weird, but it’s something that works, a natural cure. I have had success. Antibiotics have always been on my last resort list, but I had to due to wisdom teeth extraction, and I was fine until I stopped taking probiotics( I usually take them everyday, for the last 2 years) I figured that the antibiotics would kill the probiotics, but I developed a yeast infection from the antibiotics. No fun, so I said, it’s obvious in my situation that probiotics are always beneficial, ESPECIALLY when taking antibiotics. There are no side effects of probiotics, but there are with antibiotics. Hope that this can help someone out there, and i wish the best of health. NOTE: most western traditional “doctors” aren’t even trained in nutrition and supplemental intake. They are trained by the pharmaceutical companies as well as receiving “kickback” pay from writing prescriptions. I used to date a doctor and know all too well now to bring my baby to a naturopath if needed, but mama-you are your child’s best doctor along with the food you nourish yourself and child with ..xoxo

• Trent Jackson // Feb 5, 2010 at 1:28 am

  No way do doctors receive a “kick back” by prescribing medication. Not in Australia at least. I refuse to believe this.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 5, 2010 at 1:45 am

  Actually,

  I think that I am responsible for getting a doctor fired for requesting that he prescribe me with Nitrazepam (a pretty strong sleeping tablet)

  I just asked for it and he gave it to me no questions asked really.

• seashell // Feb 5, 2010 at 2:05 am

  http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread538597/pg1
  Doctors do receive bonuses from companies…FACT…in the US

• Sandee // Feb 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm

  For the woman with child with chronic ear infections, antibiotics especially if they didn’t work first time around WILL lead to tubes in ears, UNLESS you do homeopathy. For homeopathy, chronic infant ear infections are a super easy CURE, however, you will need a homeopath with a good reputation (ours had a 5 mo waiting list), do not go the tube route, there is absolutely no need, ask a homeopath.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 6, 2010 at 10:12 pm

  Today, the world is so subjective, corrupted and there’s so much BS going on that reputation by means of (hearsay) — means nothing.

  Incidentally, the longer the waiting list, the greater the chance that you’ll just be seen as a “number”.

  Business is strong enough, so I therefore don’t really care if I do or do not satisfy you. We are a materialistic motivated world. (most of us)

• Trent Jackson // Feb 6, 2010 at 10:16 pm

  Simple psychology really.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 6, 2010 at 11:42 pm

  My best advice is — don’t trust anyone who isn’t on your payroll. Even then, you can’t always be 100% certain. The enemy might be paying them double on the side!

  Laughing

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:12 am

  If Moore’s law remains true, you’ll likely be swallowing capsule containing transistors in a couple of 1000 years.

  A miniature self-morphing “robot” that is programmed to target something specific.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:48 am

  Jackson’s law: “intelligence is a measure of commonsense, and knowing the world for what it is, and knowing people for what they truly are and what want from you”

  Simple really.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 5:50 am

  Jackson’s law: “intelligence is a measure of commonsense, and knowing the world for what it is, and knowing people for what they truly are and what THEY want from you”

  Simple really.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:10 am

  Commonsense (logic) — can become very complex. In its simplest form you are only thinking about 1 thing. But when you are taking into consideration 100 things at the same time (1,000 variables for say a video game) then you are complex.

• Cris // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:12 am

  I would be more interested in hearing about probiotics and antibiotics on this message board.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:25 am

  Fine. I took some Amoxicillin years ago for an ear infection and it did not work. The corrupted doctor next door prescribed me with it.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:31 am

  I am the victim of a 20-year long conspiracy.

  I’m currently 32-years-old.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 6:43 am

  I am also about to lead the way with 2D game development in VB.NET

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:02 am

  I hear that most of these guys are under federal investigation.

  You want in too?

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:03 am

  Peter May would be sweating & shaking all over the place by now.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:10 am

  I think that all the cops wanna do is give me a 3000GT Twin Turbo and a bow tie, in exchange for giving their kids FREE computer programming lessons.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:24 am

  + full immunity to all traffic offences.

  Never, ever pull me over.

  Deal?

• Trent Jackson // Feb 7, 2010 at 7:45 am

  FREE lessons. If they can get their head around boolean algebra, then I’ll teach them.

  If not then I am wasting my time.

  Deal?

• lulu // Feb 20, 2010 at 8:33 pm

  I have had to take more antibiotics than ever in my life in the last 2 years. Usually I don’t take probiotics- which always leads to a yeast infection. Last time I took probiotics, but the infection came back shortly after (and I had to go on antibiotics AGAIN)- however, I was taking the probiotics at the same time as the antibiotics (and I did not get a yeast infection!).
  I wonder if by taking them at the same time- the antibiotics then have to work harder to get rid of bacteria- and run out of steam so to speak?
  If taking probiotics in between doses of antibiotics- then your good bacteria are functioning at least part of the time(even if they get killed by the next round of antibiotics) therefore not leading to the yeast infection/thrush etc.
  Now- what if you take only the antibiotics for the first 3/4 of the infection or until symptoms have cleared up. Seemingly, this would allow the antibiotics to focus on the bad bacteria. By the time symptoms have cleared, there must be less bad bacteria for antibiotics to work on- and it would be a good time to introduce the good bacteria (spaced between antibiotic doses).
  Then it is definately necessary to continue probiotics for 2-4 weeks after antibiotic use (and I would think following an anti candida diet- no sugar, white starches, etc).
  After wards it is also important to supplement with a multivitamin- Vit A, and C are particulary important for the health of intestinal linings (which antibiotics make more permeable) and vitamins work better in conjunction with one another.
  So while the antibiotics work quickly on the infection- getting back into great health is a lot of work afterwards and involves diet and lifestyle changes- but even if only for a few months- isn’t it worth it?
  Drink lots of vegetable juices! carrot, celery, ginger, lemo, apple- lots of healthy enzymes!!!!! and easy on the digestive system.
  good luck everyone!

• Trent Jackson // Feb 20, 2010 at 9:07 pm

  Quote: “I wonder if by taking them at the same time- the antibiotics then have to work harder to get rid of bacteria- and run out of steam so to speak?”

  Apparently, according to my GP — bad bacteria grows faster than the good. So, the antibiotics will likely kill off all or some of the bad, and some or close to none of the good.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 20, 2010 at 9:12 pm

  I think it really depends on the individuals case.

  Mild ear infection? (Amoxicillin) take the probiotics with the antibiotics.

  Severe gastrointestinal infection? (Flagyl) take them after the course of antibiotics.

• Trent Jackson // Feb 20, 2010 at 9:38 pm

  Oh,

  and last but not least, if you’ve taken a couple of rounds of Flagyl for a suspected gastrointestinal infection, and found that the diarrhea returns several weeks later, then try taking a worming tablet. You may have hookworms (which was the case for me)

  Hookworms are like leaches. They attach themselves to wall of your small bowel and draw ~1.5ml of blood per day (each worm). Some people get infestations of thousands of them and can die from anemia. You may find small droplets of blood in your stools, accompanied with eggs that the female worm lays (2,000 p/day is not uncommon)

  I think that the Flagyl just put them to sleep for a while, but the worming tablet has starved them to death.

• Angela J. // Mar 11, 2010 at 6:48 am

  Am glad I browsed through all the comments above. It was quite helpful. I have been taking probiotics for about 2 years now and have never really been taking antibiotics till now. I was prescribed today with augmentin, 1g 2x/day. This is because the wound from a surgery got infected. I stopped my probiotics when I started the augmentin but after reading all the side effects discussed, I realize that I do have to be extra careful and continue with the probitioc intake as well.

  thanks for all the info

• Trent Jackson // Mar 11, 2010 at 7:04 am

  Augmentin looks to be pretty much an alternative name for Amoxycillin.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-amoxiclav

  They have to keep changing them, because people build up immunity to them. I just would have given you Amoxycillin; a tried, true and tested old age drug. Better the devil you know.

• Alessandra // Mar 19, 2010 at 10:25 am

  Taking antibiotics for sinus infections is generally worthless, as the majority of sinus infections are yeast-related/caused. Taking more and stronger doses of antibiotics for a sinus infection because the first one did not work is just making the problem worse. I cannot believe how uninformed doctors are about this. I was experiencing a double whammy…sinus infection draining down into my lungs threatening bronchitis/pneumonia…..anti-biotic (Cipro…nasty don’t take it…and use massive probiotics afterwards if you must/do take it) the Cipro helped my lungs but caused worse sinus infection….so really wasn’t helping me in the big picture. I now use herbal tinctures (Wishgarden Herbs Kick-Ass Sinus, and their Deep Lung and also their Kick-Ass Immune tincture…) They work awesomely…seriously…as good or better than Gaia Herbs…..based out of Colorado but going nationwide. I also use Chinese herbs…Bi Yan Pian…for sinus issues in the forehead and Pe Min Kan Wan for sinus issues in the cheekbones.
  They help alot…can even get rid of an infection…
  find them at Whole Foods and other natural food stores. Best of luck to all of you…and take those probiotics…all the time….the way we live (all the sugar, wheat, etc and all the antibiotics…) we need them big time.

• RAH // Mar 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm

  I started taking probiotics after taking antibiotics for strep throat. I got thrush from the antibiotic (which meant that all the antibodies were killed good and bad) the Dr. prescribed medicine for that, and a friend suggested I take the probiotics to even things back out. In no time I was feeling much better. The question now is I finished taking the bottle of probiotics two days ago and am really sick. I have cold/sinus symptoms really extreme. Coincidence or are the two related? Any ideas, should I go get another bottle of probiotics? Do people just keep taking those even after they are off antibiotics?

• VL // Mar 24, 2010 at 9:55 am

  I have the same questions as Rah too, having problems with thrush caused by prescribed medication (argh) and chronic sinus issues. I am taking probiotics on a daily basis and my health appears to be slowly getting better. So should I keep taking the probiotics on a daily basis?

  Also, a health food store clerk who looks like she knows what she is talking about told me, the best time to take the probiotics to be effective is in the evening, when the body is in a state to be able to well utilize it. However I am also aware the more empty your stomach, the more the enzymes and acids there will destroy the probiotics. Any advice about that?

  Alessandra : By the way, I was curious and looked up Bi Yan Pian and Pe Min Kan Wan, and the names are literally “rhinosinusitis pills” and “nasal allergy pills” respectively. Do you have more information about their actual ingredients, and of all those natural remedies you mentioned, is there any single one that stands out as the most effective? Thanks!

• Joy // Mar 26, 2010 at 2:47 pm

  This article really help me a lot. Well researched. All my questions answered. Check it out! http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijnw/vol2n1/probiotics.xml

• Doug // Apr 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217190443.htm

  Quote: “Dr. Kligler notes that the effects of probiotics doses are short-lived, so they should be taken throughout a course of antibiotic therapy. Probiotics will not diminish the effectiveness of antibiotics, he adds.”

• changostraw // Apr 28, 2010 at 12:08 am

  There is absolutely no problem with taking probiotics during antibiotic use. They do not interfere with each other.

  You cannot kill all the bacteria in your intestines and you wouldn’t want to even if you could.

  Therefore it’s just a question of rebalancing or maintaining the balance between bacteria (good and bad) and yeasts.

  Yeasts and bacteria are in competition in the intestines. In fact, antibiotics are made from compounds that yeasts/fungus naturally make in order to compete with bacteria, and antifungals are made from compounds that bacteria naturally make to compete with yeast.

  The worst thing that antibiotics do is help only one side of the fight — and therefore let the yeasts gain an upper hand. This is not good and leads to all sorts of chronic intestinal problems.

  So by taking good bacteria (probiotics) in between antibiotic doses you are simply maintaining the bacteria/yeast balance in your intestines while you cure the infection elsewhere, and thus you keep the yeast from exploding in population.

  It’s true that when you take an antibiotic dose you kill a lot of bacteria (both good and bad) in your intestines. This leads people to think that taking probiotics is not worth it. However, even without antibiotics good bacteria doesn’t have a very long life span. They are dying everyday. When you take a supplement a lot of the bacteria will die in your stomach even before it reaches your intestines. This is just the nature of the beast. Some of the bacteria will reach your intestines and will start reproducing and competing with the bad bacteria and the yeasts. This is good.

  Also good bacteria you take during a course of antibiotics is not going to make infections in other areas of your body worse.

  You of course want to give the little guys you take the best chance of reaching your intestines, reproducing and keeping the bad bacteria and yeasts from taking over – so taking them as far away from antibiotics as possible is the best. There are many theories on whether or not to take them on an empty stomach or after a meal when acids are low. I don’t think anyone knows for sure which is better. I would just follow the directions for the particular supplement you take.

  I take them after a meal which works well for me.

  Also not eating sugar and refined grains while you take antibiotics is also good – so you aren’t feeding the bad bacteria and the yeasts – which love love love refined sugar and grains.

  Once balance is disrupted it is very hard to get things balanced again – I even know some doctors who prescribe antifungals and antibiotics together in order not to create an inbalance – however that is very hard on your liver. Keeping good bacteria populations present in your intestine works well to maintain the balance and doesn’t hurt your liver.

  also the good bacteria are responsible for a lot of digestion, so if you don’t maintain their populations during antibiotic treatment you won’t be digesting and absorbing nutrients properly – or moving waste through your intestines well…so that’s my 2 cents – gotta luv probiotics

• changostraw // Apr 28, 2010 at 12:26 am

  oh and it is technically illegal for doctors to receive kickbacks – but it happens all the time, and until recently at least in the US there wasn’t very much enforcement. They are at least trying to go after doctors for this now which hopefully will help deter doctors from being so unethical.
  They used to only go after drug companies after there was some sort of disaster with a drug – but drug companies can afford to pay lawsuits – so it’s worth it to them to continue to put out unsafe drugs make hundreds of billions and then pay the odd lawsuit that costs them hundreds of millions. They still end up way in the black. Whereas doctors don’t have those kinds of margins. So maybe it will improve.
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/health/policy/04doctors.html

  However, even if doctors don’t take kickbacks they are still heavily influenced by drug companies — there are studies that show doctors are more likely to prescribe drugs if companies push them by sending very attractive people to their offices with free samples etc.

• Trent Jackson // Apr 28, 2010 at 6:00 am

  Ah, don’t worry about your liver too much — it grows back. A family member will give you half of their liver and their liver will return to full size within 2 weeks.

• Lucie // May 8, 2010 at 2:19 pm

  I get pretty frequent UTIs, so I take a proper antibiotic course, but it always results in a yeast infection, since I kill off the good bacteria. I’m going to try to keep up with my probiotics this time around and see if that helps. It’s just so frustrating that treating one infection means getting another!

• Sandee // May 8, 2010 at 2:42 pm

  Why would anybody take antibiotics?? They wipe out your good bacteria and cause months if not years of rebuilding. UTI’s are easy to cure. Drink a load of cranberry juice and take utica urens homeopathic remedy ever 3 hrs. Key is to start the moment you think one is coming on. I rarely, post to this site any more, I get so frustrated reading people relying on drugs to cure them, drugs SUPPRESS, that is why UTI’s become chronic, you suppressed them to eventually come back with a bigger vengeance. Antibiotics are reserved for infections that are life threatening when nothing else has worked. All drugs are! DUMP out you medicine cabinets. My whole family practices alternative medicine, even my son know how to get rid of a headache, none of us has had even an ibuprofen in years. There’s a lot of stupid advice out there, but there are some very easy basic’s that everyone should know that work consistantly, like how to get rid of headaches, heartburn, diahrrea, UTI’s, vaginal yeast infections, pain from sore muscles. It’s not rocket science, it is stuff that has worked for hundreds of years. Sorry, for rambling, I just get these emails from this site and I just had to post one more time. Good luck to all – remember, YOU have the power to cure yourself, be smart, drugs suppress and each time you take them weaken your immune system so it is weaker and less able to bounce back quickly. THROW them away!

• Trent Jackson // May 9, 2010 at 3:18 am

  Weaken your immune system? Its’ actually the opposite mate. Your body will build up immunity to drugs the more that you take them. Nothing wrong with a bit of ibuprofen + codeine if you’re in pain. How else do you manage a tooth ache before you finally manage to make it to the dentist? Drugs are fine if used and not abused.

• Trent Jackson // May 9, 2010 at 3:29 am

  Most of the bad stories regarding drugs come from people who abuse them. Like these guys that take 20 Valium a day + a bottle of liquor, some grass, crack, smack and a few lines of coke.

  I heave heard stores of some guys shooting up Nitrazepam coupled with alcohol. That’s why all of these drugs are restricted.

• Trent Jackson // May 9, 2010 at 3:46 am

  As for “Why would anyone take antibiotics?” You must be joking mate. The average lifespan would be 30 without antibiotics. People would be dying from pneumonia without them. Amoxicillin is usually prescribed for this.

• liz sheridan // Jun 5, 2010 at 11:06 pm

  could Trent Jackson take a well earned break? I’ve read some rambles on various subjects on the net but for sheer veer off the subject rubbish,he takes the biscuit! Do we take probiotics during or after a course of antibiotics? The answer appears to be..If during ,try to space it so that you take the probiotics about halfway between your daily antibiotic doses. If after,yes yes yes.

• David // Jun 12, 2010 at 1:13 am

  Sandee IS correct.

  USE antibiotic with life threatening issues. I am on the strongest there is because I have MRSA and it WOULD, if left untreated, KILL ME.

  BTW, if you ever think you got a spider bite, its 99% more likely you have a staph infection.

  DONT play around! Go straight to the ER and tell them you might have a “staph infaction”.

  Stap starts as a pimple and turns vicious within hours! Getting red, hard, you will see MORE redness around the area and spreading.

  GET TO THE ER fast. The faster the bester, TRUST ME, minutes make a difference!!!!!

  Once it has gone from a pimple to a soar, it gets hard; they will have to cut you open so it leaks, THEN you have to deal with an open wound witch ALWAYS gets infected with STAPH.

  If you get there fast enough they can start you on the antibiotics and save you time and pain!

  Buy some DUODERM, the stuff is awesome. Wash your sheets and clean your bathroom. Wash all towels hanging up.

  Eat veggies and fruits and beans for protien only.

  Stay safe! Good luck!

• Terri // Jun 14, 2010 at 2:24 pm

  I’ve been reading through lots of these posts. I was on a 3 week course of antibiotics for a bad sinus infection and came down with the c. diff infection. I was put on a 2 week course of Flagyl for that and the sinus infection hadn’t gone away (had gotten worse) so my Doc game me a 2 week course of Doxycycline to take care of that. So Now I am one week into these 2 meds. At the end of the antibiotics he is having me start a 6 week course of culturelle ( Lactobacillus) and s. boulardii probiotics. I also take yeast guard daily which has bacillus coagulans in it to prevent that.
  My doc advised starting the probiotics at the end of antibiotic therapy (3 to 4 days before last dose) since they’d be destroyed by the antibiotics and in his opinion wouldn’t do much good. (so I don’t think there is a reaction between the 2 or that one makes the other not work)
  in response to some of the women worried about yeast infection while on antibiotics, I have used Yeast guard and have not had problems while on it. My docalso gives me a prescription for Diflucan any time I am on antibiotics with refills just in case so I can treat it as early as possible. The doc I had before this on actually used to give me the diflucan with the antibiotic at the same time for precautionary measure.
  I do not like antibiotics and have tried treating sinus infections with a high doses of garlic which works for some people but not for me.
  C.diff is the worst thing ever and I am hoping at the end of next week when the meds are done the culture comes out neg and it does not return. In the future my doc said to take the probiotics with the antibiotics the entire time I am on them so the c.d iff does not return.

• Trent Jackson // Jun 14, 2010 at 6:49 pm

  ER is probably best reserved for people who are in a total unconscious state and or near their last breath. These are about the only circumstances upon which I would ever take myself to ER again.

• Dennis // Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 pm

  I wonder if a molecule of antibiotic is altered when it encounters and detroys a bacterium? If so, then taking probiotics will reduce the amount of antibiotic available to deal with the offending bacteria; but if that’s not the case, then probiotics wouldn’t reduce the efectiveness of the antibiotic – does that make sense? Does anyone know if antibiotics are “consumed” as they destroy bacteria?

• susie // Jul 23, 2010 at 2:52 pm

  I have been taking antibiotics for 4 weeks due to a bronchial infection- I have now develop strong stomach pains and my Dr has now put me on flagyl while he test my stool for colitis- is it safe to take a prebiotic , will it help relieve the stomach pain?

• Sandee // Jul 23, 2010 at 11:00 pm

  Susie, Antiboitics are causing colitis, please start never take antibiotics unless life threatening, 80% of your immune system is in your gut, you just wiped out all the bad and GOOD bacteria in your gut with antibiotics. You are going to battle intestinal problems for months if not years, unless you replenish with REGUVELAC created by Ann Wigmore you cures people with AIDS of yeast in their gut. You can make your own or buy it at health stores. Good luck, what is with this string????? So many people who take antibiotics?????????????

• jessica // Aug 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm

  I’ve been speaking with my friend who is a nurse and she said that in the hospital, if people ar having bad side effects that they actually give the patients probiotics such as yogurt, and asidopholis for the releif of the side effects.

• Carol // Sep 16, 2010 at 10:16 am

  I’m reading this because I finished antibiotics a week ago which cleared up my lower respiratory infection. Today I bought some expensive probiotics (a friend told me I should) and took one twelve hours ago. It is now 3am and I can’t sleep because my respiratory infection is back with a vengeance! I had taken the full course of antibiotics even though my infection had cleared up half way through – so what, I wonder, has caused it to suddenly return within twelve hours of taking one probiotic capsule?

• Sandee // Sep 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm

  Carol, antibiotics suppress the immune system and wipe out all your good bacteria. I have cleared up my families infections with Homeopathic remedies that act as a natural antibiotic. Make or buy Rejuvalac (from wheat berries has 45BILLION probiotics per 6oz). Use Oil of Oregano Capsules by GAIA HERBS they are extracted with supercritical CO2 and call a homeopath to suggest a remedy (probably Hepar Sulph). Sounds like your body’s immune system needs some restoring. 80% of your immune system lives right in your digestive tract. Everything that you eat, directly affects your immune system and health, either positively by strengthening it or negatively by weakening it, causing health problems. Once the balance of good bacteria in the intestines is weakened, health issues begin because the immune system is not strong enough to fight off stress, allergens, toxins, infections and other daily issues. The body becomes off balance reacts with chronic inflammation taxing the body physically and mentally, left unchecked can lead to serious chronic health problems. Refined sugars and carbs directly feed that bad bacteria. Good Luck.

• Carol // Sep 17, 2010 at 7:12 pm

  Sandee, thank you so much for all that information. My lungs were damaged after extensive chemo some years ago and my immune system is now compromised. After all the chemo, I have been cautious about taking drugs and changed my diet to a vegetarian one (now vegan) and up until this I have managed my health problems with alternative medicines and exercise. I had to resort to antibiotics this time, but I have never taken probiotics before – the one I bought is Inner Health Plus and yesterday I went back to the health shop for their advice. They kindly exchanged them for Inner Health Plus Dairy Free, saying my problem may have been a reaction to the Bovine Cholostrum (I didn’t see that!). Perhaps so, because I am ok now and have since taken two of the dairy free tablets with no adverse effects. In future I will certainly have a go at making the Rejuvalac myself and will try out the other things you mention. I appreciate you taking the time – and no charge; such good advice usually comes with a fee. Thank you Sandee.

• Debbie Bennett // Nov 5, 2010 at 4:54 pm

  Get the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon….there’s a lot of information in there about these problems and proper healthy eating…..it’s really helped me!

• Sandee // Nov 5, 2010 at 8:14 pm

  Carol, you are welcome. We too eat vegan 3 times a week and organic always. Besides the refined carbs and refined sugars, genetically modified products are sickening our nation at alarming rates. It is amazing how changing your diet to exclude these items will reset your immune system, with the help from some cleansing herbs and restoring probiotics. However, people who are sick expect results overnight yet it took years of eating poorly to damage the immune system, it can take approximately 18months to restore it. Keep with a healthy life style and you WILL see results. Please consider adding yoga to restore the muscles and nervous system and inner spirit. Also please consider to read three books that are life changing: 1. Clean by Dr. Alejandro Junger, a doctor of 30yrs who realized his prescriptions and surgery were only masking his patients symptoms not curing them and how to reset your immune system 2. Knock Out by Suzanne Somers (proven alternatives to chemotherapy, even success with stage 4 cancers) 3. Beyond Flat Earth Medicine (an introduction to homeopathy). Good luck and knock on my door anytime!

• Trent Jackson // Nov 6, 2010 at 12:02 am

  These people making money off other people’s misery by writing books, which claim they have the answers to cure cancer, need to be drawn & quarter at dusk.

  Bunch of bullshit. Stage 4 cancer is when the tumors have already broken through the membrane of the organ, which enables the cells to invade and destroy healthy tissue, which is what kills the host by intefering with normal organ function.

  How in the fucking hell can that be reversed with drugs?

• Trent Jackson // Nov 6, 2010 at 1:34 am

  While I’m not a doctor, I have read much about cancer, and I have also lost many family members from the disease.

  For those of you who are unaware — famous Australian brain surgeon Chris O’Brien was diagnosed with the very disease in which he treated people for: Brain cancer.

  He was given 5 rounds of brain surgery from one of his mates, but had absolutely no bouts of radiation or chemo whatsoever. What does that fucking tell you?

  He lived to see 3 years after diagnosis, while any other individual would have been a few rounds of radiation and sent home a prognosis of 6 – 12 months to live.

  Get ready for the lunatic asylum or perhaps even prison if you are on the Internet writing and selling books with claims about cures for cancer. You know as well as I know that your claims are total fucking bullshit.

  You are just out to make money and that’s all you give a flying fuck about isn’t it? You’re a CUNT.

• Trent Jackson // Nov 6, 2010 at 6:09 am

  Don’t be surprised either if the Chinese have had a genuine cure for cancer for the past 20 years, but have been unwilling to share it with the western culture, and have reserved it for a certain subset of people in their own culture who are deserving of it. After all, the key incredient for chemo comes the bark off a Chinese tree.

  You wanna go around selling drugs to children and a magistrate only gives you 5 years in prison? Then perhaps you deserve to die from cancer.

  You wanna go around screwing every guy on the corner for money? Then perhaps you deserve to die from cervical cancer.

  In their philosophy, it is as simple as that.

• Trent Jackson // Nov 6, 2010 at 6:37 am

  I think I feel a bit the same way actually.

  Fuck yas.

• Nathan DeSpain // Nov 20, 2010 at 9:55 am

  Hi, I am a local distributor in Wichita Kansas that supplies alternative health solutions from a few different companies. I came about this sight because I was looking for info about pro-biotic use while on antibiotics. I think that if a person has to take antibiotics for whatever they should take probiotics right before antibiotics and then at the end of antibiotics. In my opinion people should use preventative measure to keep them selves healthy so that they do not have to use antibiotics but some times this is hard to do because of cost and time. I do have a solution for people with both of these issues when it come to preventative measure I have the best products that are great for people that are trying to avoid dairy products because of fungi infections. Antibiotics do not work on sinus infections because they are fungi and many strains of fungi. This is when proper nutrition and antifungal treatment is best.
  For me I have had a sinus infection for about 5 years and never new that the antibiotics were not doing anything to the infection because it has been fungi. A person can get this tested at the doctor you just have to ask. I got rid of mine from taking my reliv products. It took me about a month to start feeling better but now I have more energy than ever before and I have no sinus issues. My seasonal allergies are not acting up and even my allergy to my cat is completely gone. I am blessed that some one cared to show me the reliv products. PLEASE CHECK OUT RELIV IF YOU ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED! This company is the best thing to ever happen to me physically and now financially. I love my life with reliv and love introducing it to people because it changes peoples life and gives them HOPE! Thank you everyone and to GOD, HEALTH, FAMILY, AND HAPPINESS!

• Trent Jackson // Nov 20, 2010 at 11:34 am

  You have but one word of sound argument there: “HOPE” I will never argue with such a notion, and I do believe in miracles. Personally I do prefer the truth, reality and acceptance rather than living on a pray of denial. But I’m only one person. One point in space. So I can’t speak for everyone else. Life is a mystery, and this is also something that is impossible to argue with.

  You win.

• Frances' Mom // Dec 5, 2010 at 1:01 am

  We had already started our 15 month old daughter on a child-friendly probiotic when we started her first course of antibiotics for a UTI. Then our pediatrician mentioned she should be on probiotics, as well.

  As I understand it, probiotics should not affect the efficacy of antibiotics. Actually, quite the opposite. The antibiotics can very well cancel out the probiotics, so our pediatrician recommends taking the probiotic at a different time.

  Since we have to administer 5ml of Keflex 3x/day, I’m giving her half of her daily probiotic at even intervals between doses of the antibiotic. The schedule looks something like this:

  1) 5ml Keflex after breakfast
  2) between 1/4 and 1/2 tspn of Baby Jarro probiotic about two hours later
  3) 5 ml Keflex after lunch
  4) between 1/4 and 1/2 tspn of Baby Jarro probiotic about 2-3 hours later (whenever she wakes us from her nap)
  5) 5 ml Keflex before bed time

  A total of 3/4 tspn of Baby Jarro probiotic per day, which is more than the recommended dose on the bottle. This is per our pediatrician.

  I find it all goes better when she eats before receiving the antibiotic. And we have noticed improvement in her diarrhea when she’s on probiotics. Note, our child has hypotonia and suffers from chronic, severe constipation. So if Keflex is giving her loose stools, then I’d hate to see what it does to kids with normal intestinal tracts.

  Give the probiotics a try–just my two cents.

  Cheers

• Lance // Dec 19, 2010 at 10:10 pm

  I found this website while trying to research what probiotics I might want to add to my acidopholous, after my course of Keflex is finished tomorrow (finger injury, 6 stitches, prevententive treatment from the ER doc, 1 week, 4x daily, 500 mg). I noticed a lot of comments RE sinus infections, so I will relate my experience.

  I’ve had blocked sinuses for over a decade, coupled with a November and February/March allergy to some happily pollinating tree or plant here in L.A., where I’ve lived for 12 years. Eventually saw a specialist, around 2002, who said my maxillary sinus was impacted(?) and that the turbinates in my nose that had been surgically reset 20 years ago were too large and needed to be trimmed because the “geography” of my nasal passages and my blocked (and smallish) sinuses were keeping me from being able to breath.

  As part of the post-surgery regimen, I was asked to rinse with Alkolol. This is a product that you mix with warm water and use with either a Netti pot, or in my case, via a nifty plug-in to my water pick called a “Grossan Adaptor”. Used on the lowest and most gentle setting, it helped rinse my sinuses out and kept them from reclogging due to all the clotting going on in there.

  Alkolol contains alcohol, wintergreen (opens up your sinuses naturally), baking soda (loosens mucus) and alum (shrinks swollen tissues). In the years that followed my sinus’s returned to their being-clogged-up ways, but the Alkolol helped symptomatically treat that condition, and possibly helped prevent the conditions that would have made for more frequent sinusitus. When my allergies act up, I still use an Alkolol rinse 2x a day and the capsaicum-containing Sinus Buster which opens up my sinus’s without the problems associated with prolonged stereocortoid sprays. Here is a good page for what Alkolol does. (http://www.alkalolcompany.com/index.php/alkalol/faqs/frequently_asked_questions) It is non-prescription and In the $3-5 range per bottle here in Los Angeles. Depending on how much you stretch it out via dilution, it can last you a long time. When my sinuses become clear, I revert to a few days of just water, or saline rinse.

  Oh, by the way, you can “make your own” rinse by dissolving salt and baking soda in your tap water. Do a little research so you can decide if you should make a saline solution that is “tonic” or “hypertonic”, and you can experiment like I did to see what worked best for me.

  About a year ago, tired of the my ever-clogged sinuses, I ran across some Candida Albacans references. Deciding I would approach my sinus issues “as if” they were caused by a yeast imbalance I did three things that seem to have been successful at treating the cause.

  1) I started taking an Acidopholous supplement. (one which also has L. Bifidus I just realized).
  2) I started taking a Grapefruit Seed Extract in case the anti-fungal properties occassionally attributed to it might be true
  3) I cut down on my comfortable use of sugary products (but by no means cut them out)
  4) increased the frequency of Garlic in my diet, to 3-5 times a week, up from about 2 times a week, for it’s anti-fungal properties.

  Something in 1)-4) is working for me. I have not only been able to comfortably breath through my nose for most of the year, I have frequently noticed smells that in the past I would have been oblivious too. I caught a virus in November, and was sick for a week – and noticed that I couldn’t breath through my nose. In the past, this chain wouldn’t have been noticed because I was in a condition of not being able to nose-breath for almost the entire year.

  If I had to guess, I would say that what has helped me the most is equal parts 1), 2) and 3). there are weeks I have no garlic, and other weeks I have it nearly all 7 days, but my garlic intake is very irregular, so I suspect it’s anti-fungal activity is more of an aid to the other three changes.

  Oh, and I did not change my diet. Think commercially produced eggs, bacon, cheeses, meats, hash browns, etc. So my sinuses have become clear without major changes in my diet, nor a particularly healthy version (though if I re-read Omnivores Dilemma again, I’ll be compelled to find an organic diner or two near where I live so I can go out and eat more healthy.

  After reading all the posts related to probiotics/antibiotics, I still have a question as to what Probiotic people like? In particular:

  1)I will not be spending a ton of money for something that makes a lot of non-University/third party substantiated claims for it’s efficacy. Celebrity or celebrity-doctor testimonials mean nothing to me. Spoken like Cuba Gooding Jr. in “Jerry McGuire”: “Show me the double-blind study!”

  2)I’d prefer something that is in pill form, like the other supplements I take. i.e. all the aforementioned, plus Source Naturals “Mental Edge”, Omega 3, and whatever multi-vitamin du jour I’m trying out. However, if someone can make a good case for a liquid version, I’m listening

  Good luck with your sinus’s and probiotics everyone–thanks again for all the info and links!

• Lance // Dec 19, 2010 at 10:30 pm

  p.s.

  Since the issues of being sick, often intersect with “fear”, “desperation” and “other people who want to make money off of you”, here are two good books to read.

  The first is “Charlatan: America’s Most Dangerous Huckster, the Man Who Pursued Him, and the Age of Flimflam” by Pope Brock.

  It’s a fascinating story, and a good warning to you if you may be giving tons of your money and time to cures that are more comforting-snake-oil, than substantiated-immune-aid.

  http://www.amazon.com/Charlatan-Americas-Dangerous-Huckster-ebook/dp/B0013SSPVE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1292815000&sr=1-1

  The second relevant read is

  “If you think your doctors prescribe medications for you on the basis of their unbiased judgment and objective medical research, this book will disabuse you of that old-fashioned fantasy. In his superb exposé, Carl Elliott shows how the big drug companies have bribed and corrupted the medical establishment so that we no longer know which drugs are effective or why our doctors prescribe them.”

  The 2nd book, the “flip side” of this coin, is “White Coat, Black Hat: Adventures on the Dark Side of Medicine.” The review from Amazon says it better than my synopsis:

  http://www.amazon.com/White-Coat-Black-Hat-ebook/dp/B003WUYPEM

  When we’re desperate, we’re easy targets for the traditional medical establishment who is always trying to sell you their product, or steer you to their specialist friend, OR, someone from the not-so-traditional areas of medicine.

  Keep in mind they both are affected by the profit motive. And it may very well be that they all truly believe what they sell is better than “the other sides” medical/health option. After all, they’ve invested their belief in it, so they have a set of blinders and lenses on that may alter the way they see facts that are presented to them.

  “If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem is a nail”.

  I remember the surgeon who performed my surgery was a really funny, comforting and seemingly genuine guy. After the surgery, on my first follow-up-visit, I asked him what he had found in there? As he pulled about 5 cubic yards of cotton from my skull, he smiled and said “boogers and snot!”

  He may not have had any reason to believe that his surgery wasn’t my best option. But because he had invested years of medical school, and probably paid the bills for his entire family via his surgical practice, he had a vested interest in NOT being aware of the alternatives. I’d wager, that f I were to see him again for another surgery one year, and I mentioned what worked for my sinuses in terms of dietary and supplement changes — his belief system and vested interests would work together to prevent him from mentioning that information to any prospective surgical clients.

  Likewise, people who vest large parts of their research and identity into alternative medicines, often seem like they feel obligated to denigrate most or all aspects of Western Medicine. Even if they don’t, their profit motive will still make them most interested in recommending a course of what they sell and believe in, even if on-balance the “jury is out” in terms of hard conclusions regarding how effective the alternative treatment is.

  Look up Echinacea . It’s been the darling of the alternative medicine establishment for a long time. Yet there are a number of double-blind studies that show it has no effect. It may seem like the “matter is settled” because you see a million “immune-boosting ” products that contain it — but that jury is still out.

  So, if you are sick, guard yourself, and what you believe, well. If you are truly ill, seek the council of a good, smart and caring friend. That remedy is better than a course of antibiotics OR echinacea.

  And while you’re laying on that couch with your chicken noodle soup — I hope you enjoy both those books.

• Lance // Dec 19, 2010 at 10:32 pm

  *oops, I cut and pasted the description of “White Coats, Black Hats” above the book title, in the preceding post.

  My apologies.

• pregnant mommy // Jan 19, 2011 at 7:21 am

  I am pregnant and my gynie prefers me drinking a 9 strain probiotic, assisting in getting candida or constipation or diaree, also one will find that antibiotics can disrupt your intestinal flora and vaginal flora and so a probiotic is very useful in that regard. It also aids the immune system and helps with food allergies and it is all natural.

• LK65 // Jan 27, 2011 at 5:44 pm

  I am on day 5 of a 10 day “quadruple therapy” treatment for a possible H.pylori infection. I tested positive for it during a health screening, but my doctor is not full convinced that I currently have the infection, because he says that the antibody that was tested (IgG) is a long-term antibody that stays in the bloodstream indefinitely. But since I am experiencing GI symptoms, he has decided to start me on treatment. For the first 5 days, I’m taking amoxicillin (1 gram 2x daily), along with a PPI (rabeprazole 20 mg 2x daily). For days 6-10, I’m taking clarithromycin (500 mg twice daily), the PPI, and Tindamax (500 mg twice daily).

  I would like to start taking probiotics to rebuild the good bacteria in my gut. What are the BEST types and dosage of probiotics for rebuilding gut flora, after a heavy course of antibiotics? I want to get the most bang for my buck.

• Banjo's Mom // Jan 27, 2011 at 6:16 pm

  It baffles me that people take antibiotics, yet read sites like this regarding what they do to your immune system. Please reserve them for life-threatening illnesses (which hopefully will never happen in your lifetime). When you wipe out your good bacteria you will battle a much harder problem for months if not years replenishing it and strict diets. You need to replenish the 2 largest bacterias in your intestinal tract, less than 30 Billion won’t do a thing. Also it needs to say count guaranteed through expiration and be the refrigerated kind. There is one that I found in certain apothecaries: 15 Billion Each Probiotic of L-acidophilus/Bifidobacterium called Ultra Flora by Metagenics – take 2 at bedtime and now you have to make a strict diet change for months or longer. good luck.

• Quee Taiyang // Feb 24, 2011 at 11:34 am

  I’m working my way through bronchitis, laryngitis and a killer sinus infection that I’ve had f0r over a month. I had to take two rounds of antibiotics – the first round didn’t work at all, and the 2nd round (levoquin) seems to have helped dramatically except I still am missing my sense of smell and taste.

  A friend of mine told me about this thing called Paradise energy greens (a powdered supplement) and how he used to have severe allergies including becoming allergic to beer (I am too) and now that he takes this daily, his allergies cleared up.

  I never took probiotics or supplements of any kind until after this 2nd round of antibiotics. I suffered my way throught he 1st round, but on the 2nd round the day after I finsihed the 7-day course of antibiotics, I started taking the supplement.

  It seems to have helped significantly with my stomach recovering from the diarrhea problems, and I can’t say for sure but it seems like it added an extra ‘something’ to help me get rid of the last of this sinus infection and bronchitis.

  I intend to keep taking it (in banana strawberry smoothies, otherwise it’s completely awful-tasting) on a daily basis to see how things go. Incidentally, when I take this supplement I get lots of extra energy (kind of like drinking several triple-shot espressos) and it seems like I’m eating a lot less as well – only twice a day (I need to go on a severe diet anyways). I’ve only been taking the supplement for a couple of weeks, but it works well for me!

  I also drink probiotic juices (Naked juice has a tropical mango juice full of probiotics) and they certainly don’t seem to hurt, plus they taste really good. I’m also going to experiment with that Activia yogurt and see if I like it and if it helps or not.

• IDnurse // Apr 21, 2011 at 4:16 am

  What is an antibiotics function? It is a “good” bacteria that works with your immune system to attack & kill foreign organisms. Unlike your immune system though, the anti-b cant distinguish a difference between good & bad bacteria. So, with out predjudice it does its job & kills any foreign organism. Anibiotics in small doses are used to kill small orgamisms, in large doses, it will kill large (like a human, we are large organisms) organisms. Its a poison. You use an anti-body toxin to kill foreign body toxin. Probiotics absolutly effect an antibiotics effectiveness. If all the anti-bs in your body are fighting pro-bs (loss of probiotics aka normal flora) then the anti-bs “army” isnt going to focus on the foreign-b. It will kill & attack a pro-b, before moving on. The function of probiotics (flora) is to keep the normal balance of yeast & normal flora stable. The diarrhea you get while on anti-bs is because the pro-bs normally consume most available nurishment, so results the yeasts inability to colonize. When the anti-bs deplete flora, yeast over grows. So you get nausea, diahrrea, & a craving for statchy foods. An anti-fungal (nystatin) used during a round of anti-bs can counter act these effects. Using probiotics during antibiotic doses will 100% effect how well they work. Like I said, if the anti is fighting the pro, then the anti army is causing pro army to deplete, and so then who is fighting the foreign?? Yeast is to blame for unwanted side effects from antibiotics, using antifungals like Nystatin keeps the yeast in check while the antibiotics do thier job. After the battle is won against the foreign you use probiotics to REPLENISH normal flora! Im an PICU nurse and have been working in Infectious disease & controll for 7 years. Its basic metabolics & people focus to much on the pro vs anti, and forget about the fungal. Antibiotic + Antifungal = Foreign removal. Relatively side effect (the famous antibiotic diahrrea we all hate) free. The use probiotic replacement after antibiotic round is completed.

• Katrina // May 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm

  I have been sick now for a little over three weeks. It got so bad that I finally made it in to see the doctor. He said I had a sinus infection and may have developed a small case of asthma. I have now finished the antibiotics prescribed to kill the sinus infection. However my coughing has only gotten worse and is very active all day long. Sometimes I cough for so long and hard that it actually makes me vomit. I still feel extremely tired and have a very hard time sleeping, waking up regularly with couging fits. I have noticed that I am pale as well. Should I go back to the doctor or is there something that I can take over the counter to help. I don’t know how much longer I can last with this my body is sore from all the coughing and my mucus is still clear and flowing constantly.

• Katrina // May 13, 2011 at 3:46 pm

  I have been sick now for a little over three weeks. It got so bad that I finally made it in to see the doctor. He said I had a sinus infection and may have developed a small case of asthma. I have now finished the antibiotics prescribed to kill the sinus infection. However my coughing has only gotten worse and is very active all day long. Sometimes I cough for so long and hard that it actually makes me vomit. I still feel extremely tired and have a very hard time sleeping, waking up regularly with coughing fits. I have noticed that I am pale as well. Should I go back to the doctor or is there something that I can take over the counter to help. I don’t know how much longer I can last with this my body is sore from all the coughing and my mucus is still clear and flowing constantly.

• Dell // May 24, 2011 at 8:32 pm

  Katrina, I suggest you look into food allergies. Specifically gluten.

• mindy // Jun 29, 2011 at 9:53 am

  IDnurse-
  your post helped alot. my question is this- i went tot he er recently not know what i had, tested positve for uti though, but they treated me for everything- giving me an antibiotic shot, 4 zithromax pills and a 7day scrip for bactrim. they also gave me a diflucan, which i know is an antifungal. should i take this now then start acidopholis after i’m off the bactrim? i have previously used diflucan in the past for yeast, but it never seeemd to work. i just didn’t know if it had the same properties as nyastin. thanks for any reply.

• mrsa // Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46 pm

  Even though your article is very helpful.

  Personally, I wouldn’t take probiotics while on antibiotic treatment but it just my opinion. It could be because I’m very cautious with medications.

• C. Lee // Jul 24, 2011 at 2:26 pm

  I fought MRSA for a year and half after surgery attendant to an accident in July 2007. I took several different regimens of antibiotics thru a central line; intramuscular injections; and oral. My infection remained intractable. I stopped the antibiotics the end of Sept. 2008; I started a rich probiotic regimen comprised of homemade kombucha and kefir, as well as a bacteriophage therapy starting in Aug. 2008. Whether incidentally or not, my infection cleared up by Jan. 2009 and I’ve been infection-free thereafter.

• kjk // Aug 3, 2011 at 2:34 am

  Antibiotic: kills almost all bacteria. Probiotic: has little time to help in digestion because it quickly dies. The immune system does not see the probiotic since it stays “outside” of the body (in the intestine), so the immune system should not be affected.
  Why not inject the antibiotic and design it so that it does not get to the intestine (most infections are not intestinal)? Than you keep your good bacteria but kill the bad ones. Or give probiotics engineered to be resistant to the antibiotic (be careful here!)?

• Jean // Aug 14, 2011 at 12:18 am

  The best way to treat sinus infections without antibiotics is with the use of a Neti Pot.
  This is an instrument made to help you wash your sinuses with saline a few times a day.

  It worked miracles for me and everyone I know who has used it the way it is intended to be used.

  Neti Pot at your local health food store. I found one at RiteAid too.

  I am currently taking Clindamycin for a MRSA infection. As soon as I started probiotics my diarrhea diminished.
  I have read that it’s important to take an enteric coated probiotic so it can make it thru your stomach to your intestines where it can do the most good.

• Karen // Aug 19, 2011 at 11:03 am

  I have Lyme, and when it flares up, I need to take antibiotics sometimes longer than the average person would. Probiotics are essential. My doctor, who is pretty supplement-oriented, recommends it. Not just to avoid yeast infections, but I get strange, intense itching with no rash on the front of my thighs or around my navel! Weird. Nothing stops that intense itching except a quick dose of high quality probiotic, which calms things right down. I DO NOT take the probiotics at the same time as the antibiotics–I take it a few hours after the antibiotic so it has a chance to help build up the good bacteria for a while before the next dose of antibiotic. Taking them at the same time would just mean the antibiotic wouldl be killing my fresh dose of probs along with the rest of the stuff.

• Mark Lewis // Sep 12, 2011 at 8:40 am

  I found a program called Know The Cause with Doug Kaufman and this is the only person that is telling about the abuse of antibiotics and how to reverse the terrible side effects. knowthecause.com I am sinus infection free after 20 years of problems and antibiotic use.

• Nancy Wright // Sep 19, 2011 at 12:25 pm

  I have used a high quality probiotic with great success with myself, and my children. My very healthy son was diagnosed with skin MRSA age 11, several years ago. I could not figure out where it was coming from until a grown family member finally spoke up and said they had “pimples”. So began the long road of recovery with him and then rebuilding of his immune system. Probiotics is a very important part along with high quality fish oil, high quality vitamins, Staphaspetic gel (available at rite aid), tea tree oil for anything that may be mrsa and Organic whole food (as much as can get in an 11 year old) and chorline bleach for laundry because this bacteria is hard to kill it gets in the clothes and hides. The color safe bleach did not work for me. Lysol wipes and PureGreen 24 (natural cleaner) kill mrsa. We are beating mrsa. It is a process. We ask God for his continuing help everyday. I wish Godspeed to all of you out there suffering.

• shivani // Oct 20, 2011 at 6:28 pm

  is there any antibiotic that can’t harm probiotics

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• suziq // Dec 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm

  My infant son completed 6 intense rounds of chemo and followed by a year and 2 months of oral chemo. He had C-Diff by the 2nd round of chemo. I tried to push yogurt, but he feeling sick refused to eat. I would crush and soak the bacteria probiotic (apparently I should not have while on chemo, but for him it helped keep his C-diff in check) and pour into his feeding tube formula. I noticed over the months C-diff would occur, mind you this is a nasty sickness and can cause death, so I needed answers fast! I spoke to a Gastro ASAP and she placed him on Saccharomyces boulardii 2-3 capsules along with his lil critters 2-3 bacteria probiotics daily I gave him. He was on Vanco (as mentioned above) and also Nitazoxanide, and reduced his probiotic intake to 1-2 each daily. I would say he is better after a year of this combo but if he ever is to take ANTIBOITICS…he recieves a PROBIOTIC shot! in juice of course. I have yet to have any issues and he clears up fine while being on PRo and Anti. Good luck.

• Myrna // Dec 28, 2011 at 10:04 pm

  hi jean, i saw that u mentioned using a neti pot to treat sinus infections. never really heard of it, but i would like to know if a 3 year old can use it as well. my 3 year old son has been on antibiotics for 2 months now, and is still continuing to take them because his sinus infection did not go away, he was put on ventin for 3 weeks, then clindimicine, and not cipro. i am so confused in whether or not i should give him probiotics during his antibiotics, but he has been complaining about stomache pain and i am totally confused. please if someone, anyone can give me some helpful information to what needs to be done. all doctors seem to be doing these days, is just prescribing these antibiotics.. helpppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!

• Traci // Jan 5, 2012 at 12:20 am

  Probiotics May Help People Taking Antibiotics
  ScienceDaily (Dec. 17, 2008) — Up to one in five people on antibiotics stop taking their full course of antibiotic therapy due to diarrhea. Physicians could help patients avoid this problem by prescribing probiotics, according to a study by researchers at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University published in American Family Physician.

  Antibiotics target “bad” bacteria but may also kill the “good” bacteria in the large intestine, leading to diarrhea. Diarrhea can also result from bacterial and viral infections. Probiotics?cultures of “good” microorganisms similar to those normally found in the gut ? have been promoted as restoring the microbial balance disrupted by antibiotics and infections. Probiotic bacterial strains are added to certain yogurts and brands of miso and other fermented foods, and are also available as powders and pills sold in health food stores.

  The Einstein scientists reviewed the medical literature and found seven, high-quality studies in which probiotics were administered to people. The researchers concluded that the studies support the use of probiotics for avoiding diarrhea resulting from antibiotic use or from gastrointestinal viral or bacterial infections. In addition, the probiotics used in these studies were found to rarely cause adverse effects, even in children.

  “With the level of evidence that probiotics work and the large safety margins for them, we see no good reason not to prescribe probiotics when prescribing antibiotics,” says Dr. Benjamin Kligler, a co-author of the study and associate professor of clinical family and social medicine at Einstein. “The only drawback is that probiotics are not covered by health insurance.” On average, a one-month supply of probiotics costs between $8 and $22.

  Dr. Kligler notes that the effects of probiotics doses are short-lived, so they should be taken throughout a course of antibiotic therapy. Probiotics will not diminish the effectiveness of antibiotics, he adds.

  Because probiotics are considered dietary supplements, they are not regulated as stringently as conventional foods and drugs. Products vary widely in bacterial dose and in quality. In general, researchers found that probiotic doses of more than 5 billion colony-forming units per day for children and more than 10 billion colony-forming units per day for adults were associated with the best outcomes.

  Dr. Kligler’s co-author was Dr. Andreas Cohrssen, director of the Beth Israel Medical Center Residency Program in Urban Family Practice.

  Disclosure: Neither Benjamin Kligler nor Andreas Cohrssen has any financial ties to consumerlab.com, usprobiotics.org, or the manufacturers of probiotics.

• Traci // Jan 5, 2012 at 12:20 am

  Probiotics May Help People Taking Antibiotics
  ScienceDaily (Dec. 17, 2008) — Up to one in five people on antibiotics stop taking their full course of antibiotic therapy due to diarrhea. Physicians could help patients avoid this problem by prescribing probiotics, according to a study by researchers at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University published in American Family Physician.

  Antibiotics target “bad” bacteria but may also kill the “good” bacteria in the large intestine, leading to diarrhea. Diarrhea can also result from bacterial and viral infections. Probiotics?cultures of “good” microorganisms similar to those normally found in the gut ? have been promoted as restoring the microbial balance disrupted by antibiotics and infections. Probiotic bacterial strains are added to certain yogurts and brands of miso and other fermented foods, and are also available as powders and pills sold in health food stores.

  The Einstein scientists reviewed the medical literature and found seven, high-quality studies in which probiotics were administered to people. The researchers concluded that the studies support the use of probiotics for avoiding diarrhea resulting from antibiotic use or from gastrointestinal viral or bacterial infections. In addition, the probiotics used in these studies were found to rarely cause adverse effects, even in children.

  “With the level of evidence that probiotics work and the large safety margins for them, we see no good reason not to prescribe probiotics when prescribing antibiotics,” says Dr. Benjamin Kligler, a co-author of the study and associate professor of clinical family and social medicine at Einstein. “The only drawback is that probiotics are not covered by health insurance.” On average, a one-month supply of probiotics costs between $8 and $22.

  Dr. Kligler notes that the effects of probiotics doses are short-lived, so they should be taken throughout a course of antibiotic therapy. Probiotics will not diminish the effectiveness of antibiotics, he adds.

  Because probiotics are considered dietary supplements, they are not regulated as stringently as conventional foods and drugs. Products vary widely in bacterial dose and in quality. In general, researchers found that probiotic doses of more than 5 billion colony-forming units per day for children and more than 10 billion colony-forming units per day for adults were associated with the best outcomes.

  Dr. Kligler’s co-author was Dr. Andreas Cohrssen, director of the Beth Israel Medical Center Residency Program in Urban Family Practice.

  Disclosure: Neither Benjamin Kligler nor Andreas Cohrssen has any financial ties to consumerlab.com, usprobiotics.org, or the manufacturers of probiotics.

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